The beauty of the .454, however, is that you can practice with .45 Colt rounds and save yourself a bit of recoil trauma. There was no time for the careful placement of the front sight, as the bear was nearly upon him. What matters more is the right bullet. My Grizzly Ed? Again, Im not saying this because I necessarily disagree with you, Im saying it because it hurts your own cause. When I need it, I simply have to grab my pistol and pull. Youve been evasive, sneaky, and weak four times in a row instead of manning up and admitting that you said something that isnt true, that a bear just killed a man in Florida, which was a mistake. .454 Casull Developed by Dick Casull and Jack Fulmer in 1957, the .454 Casull is a dangerous game hunters dream come true. A 240-grain +P Buffalo Bore projectile carries roughly 1,600 ft.-lbs. He said that handguns stop attacking bears almost 100% of the time. The .44 magnum boomed in the night and the boar fell straight down, his head three feet away from where I stood. 44 Magnum ammo should do the trick though! He carries a .375 H&H mag. I scanned the far shore to see if it was a nice one, maybe I would take it, I didnt see it, so I asked him where? The Best Black Bear Cartridges of 2023 | Field & Stream 2. Dude you should stop before you have a heart attack. Why dont you get a go pro and hike around grizzly country in the spring season with bear spray and post your live videos. Next to Bison, they are the second largest cause of fatalities and mauling s in Yellowstone Park. Modern bears remained top predators thanks to evolution weeding out the bears that dropped faster due to serious injury. Among other things, I subscribed to Alaska Magazine for about twenty years, beginning in 1975, and Backpacker Magazine from the same year, but until the early 2000s, when its subscription subcontractor made it way more trouble than it was worth anymore, and subscribed to Outside magazine for many years, along with Backpackinglight.com. AT 1.82 per round, I can afford to go to the range to hone my skills. To answer the question completely, we would need to evaluate the . Our Sitemap. Other guys alcohol. I wonder what Larry Kelly would have to say about the negative talk here about the Magnaport Stalker handguns that his company builtand he took to Alaska and the African continent to do his testing with it way back in the late 70s or 80s. 12-Gauge SlugAccording to Nelson, the 12-gauge slug gun is by far one of the most popular choices for bear protection in the Alaskan bush. I havent seen anyone advocate using a pistol as an offensive weapon for bears in this thread, or in the article, it is specifically about using a pistol as a defensive weapon on a charging bear. 1. His father has tried in vain to get this sad lad committed to a psychiatric treatment facility for years with zero success. 6. But I can count em well enough to know it was a lot more than the tiny sample of 29 that he cherry-picked to scare you. And they degrade over time, and must be replaced. Why wouldnt you choose a long-barreled gun that shoots with higher velocity, better penetration, more accuracy, less muzzle flip, less recoil, and holds one more bullet to stop a charging bear? Its important to remember, however, that 44 mag ammo is not a magic bullet. Jim D. on Twitter: "@ClownWorld_ Do not go into bear country without a grizzly charging at 30 mph, but the .44 magnum or better it will require is going to give you exactly one chance in 2.5 seconds to hit that bear precisely in the heart or brain. Who knows. I looked in the direction of Reed only to once again see the bear charging at me. Im pretty sure, he would say, the gun is only as good as the person handling it. Im certain this is the most butthurt Ive made anyone on this website since that crazed lefty threatened to sue me. ON OCCASION DO ALSO CARRY MY 870 PUMP GUN IN 12 GA WITH RIFLED BARREL WITH SLUGS , SLUGS AND BUCKSHOT AND JUST BUCKSHOT WHEN MOSTLY THINK I MAY NEED TO COVER SNAKES, BEARS AND LIONS ALL IN SAME WANDERING. This attack makes29 pistol defenses against bears that I have found. Craig Boddingtons new book dispels the myth that carrying a handgun in big bear country is effective in stopping a bear. The first was simply a test to see how far it would spray. Even the very biggest brown bears are 1,500 pounds. The guys got lucky.. How in the hell did our ancestors kill them with a rock tied on the end of a stick? It was the first bear attack in the region in forty years, and it didnt kill him, it slashed at him when he let his dog out and stepped outside, probably in panic that he was being attacked by a pack. On Thursday, 19 March, 2015, a woman with a .44 magnum stopped a polar bear from attacking Jakub Moravec, 37, in the Svalbard archipelago. He said it was his hunting partners gun. The mot popular cartridge used against bears in terms of this compilation was the .44 Magnum, which is often cited by internet and forum warriors as the absolute smallest you should go in bear defense. You have avoided your burden of proof, and I have a problem with that. I am skeptical. of energy from the muzzle. That same bullet in a .357 Magnum exits a four-inch barrel upwards of 1,400 fps. Id like to see Boddingtons sources for hundreds of attacks. However, if you are dealing with an especially large or aggressive bear, you may need something more powerful. However, the goal of this article is simply to address the question of whether the .300 Winchester Magnum is within the ideal range of suitable calibers to harvest grizzly or brown bear. As an avid outdoors person (hunting and fishing mostly)I love to mention and link to various products and gear I use. As a geologist, Nelson has killed four bears in defense of life and property (DLP), including two black bears and two grizzlies. .357 S&W MagnumWhile some folks claim the .44 Magnum is the minimum for charging bears, many others have opted for a Glock 20 in 10mm Auto and, interestingly enough, passed right by the .357 S&W Magnum. Now thats a first-class comment! 7mm Remington Magnum for Grizzly Or Brown Bear Hunting? Best Ammo Knowing the approximate distance at which you will be encountering bears is an important factor in choosing the right round for your firearm. Bear Gun Shootout: 10mm Auto vs 44 Mag. | Outdoor Life I dont know if I would call it a design. Scotty, or Cisco or whatever his current intertube name is; I believe may be afflicted with the same disability as my unfortunate nephew. The full account is worth reading for anyone interested in the dynamics of bear attacks and the effectiveness of pistols for defense against bears. SEPARATE FOOTNOTES WHICH ARE NOT A COMMENT ON THIS ARTICLE: I had no expectation that the pistol would kill the bear. Woot! But while our hands were fresh we shot the revolver first. Kinda says what needs to be said comparing us to bears. Anyone else? Henrys newest single shot is easy to carry and sports fiber-optic sights and a turkey choke for deadly tight patterns. This holster always lives on the outside of my outermost coat. When it comes to defending yourself against a bear attack, theres no substitute for 44 mag ammo. The key to using .44 Magnum to successfully stop a large grizzly bear attack is using heavy, hardcast lead bullets and having a 6+ inch barrel to boost muzzle velocity (over short-barreled revolvers). For general backpacking in grizzly country, MeatEater Founder Steven Rinella has carried both bear spray and a .44 Magnum revolver. Contrary to Gun Writer Myth and continuing bullshit about the Philippine Insurrection (polite world for jack booted storm trooper war of rape, pillage and conquest) Jan Liborel found that there was absolutely nothing in the U.S. Military records that indicated the .38 Colts were any less effective than the later used 45 long Colt and little used .45 acp handguns used in the conflict. The bear was just as startled as I. Stopping power in a handgun cartridge is measured in numerous ways. And they dont work well if you dont shake the cans from time to time, just like spray paint. Ticks. 2. For animals, I always get concentrated-stream types. A good . I grew up half the time in Alaska and the other half in Seattle. One thing Ive never called you is stupid. Putting aside your irrelevant propagandizing about the Philippine insurrection, there is clear evidence that when comparing ball ammo, the .45 ACP is better than the .38 special and the .45 Long Colt was better than the .38 Long Colt. has killed its fair share of charging bears. As a wildcat cartridge, it hasnt seen the widespread use of other rounds on this list, but that hasnt stopped many guides and hunters, Nelson included, from converting Marlin lever guns for its very effective use. 12 GA WHAT IT LACKS IN ENERGY IT MAKES UP IN WEIGHT AND SIZE/CAL. The dog was close enough however that the spray did hit the dog right in the face. Or cant hunt them easily/legally so shoot yourself a moose and wait around for the main event? Handgunning For Bears - Foggy Mountain Guide Service Heres a look at the eight best charge-stopping bear cartridges ever made. .45-70 GovernmentFirst adopted by the U.S. military in 1873, the .45-70 Government has been one of the longest-standing big-game cartridges of all time. They have been documented stalking humans, attacking without provocation, eating humans they killed and more. The .45 Long Colt revolver (or just Colt) fired a larger diameter bullet, with greater weight, and a significantly higher velocity than the .38 Long Colt, or even todays .38 special standard loads. Someone who hates you. Black bears are responsible for more human deaths and mauling s than griz and brown bear combined! When grizzlies threaten, North Country sportmen pick up long guns, not revolvers. Neither survived. Im thankful that Ive never had to defend myself against anything but an overly aggressive dog. For 43 years Ive read so many detailed reports men who were mauled after grizzlies were shot, I almost cant count em all. Based on the .375 H&H, the .338 will send a 300-grain Barnes bullet out the barrel at 2500 fps with a devastating 4,100 ft.-lbs. Yes you do want a magnum. Very difficult to do, but an absolute guaranteed instant stopper. 2017 by Dean. They store a lot more oxygen in their muscles than we do. Male grizzlies will defend their territory to the death. That phrase is Youre fucked because the chances you survive such a situation are slim to none. That means having the right gear, and knowing how to use it. Bear spray is worthless Ive used it three times. Scopes, guns, boots and other tactical stuff in-between. Caliber: .44 Magnum. I CARRY BEAR SPRAY FOR DOGS NOT BEARS. Luck by definition means the odds are against you. Among firearms platforms, a rifle delivers more energy and is effective to greater distances, making it the first choice. .44 Remington MagnumConsidered by many to be the minimum for big bear defense rounds, the .44 Remington Magnum was first introduced in 1955 for revolvers and gained widespread popularity in the 1970s thanks to Dirty Harry. Why dont you stay there. I come back again to accuracy rather than bullet size. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. 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These are all factors that need to be considered when choosing a caliber for a serious and serviceable bear defense firearm. The comparative recoil data shows the difference between our chosen calibers. .458 Winchester Magnum (500gr Hornady DGX at 2,140fps)(has 5083.36 ft lbs): 70.0 Human beings in the woods. If I was in the wilderness thered be a gun on me at all times. He was able to stop the attack by shooting the bear as it charged at him. What handgun can kill a grizzly bear? - TimesMojo Mostly considered a revolver cartridge, the .44 Magnum is often chambered in rifles. My cousin lives in AK and Ive helped him dress a bear. A 44 mag with hard cast will travel a long ways through meat and bone if youre up close. Then you have to get on target which is easier with a shorter, lighter gun. I DO NOT BELIEVE SPRAY THAT EFFECTIVE. In the ever-evolving world of social media, we are constantly looking for new ways to connect with our readers. Youre not. Ruger chambers the .454 Casull in both the Super Redhawk with a 4-inch barrel and the Alaskan in a 3-inch variant, both of which are compact and easy to draw when things get up close and personal. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. As for his own writing, yeah, I sure do criticize it. The heaviest I have found without casting my own is 265 gr. Ive also bothered to read Weingartens stuff for years. After all, I hadnt yet read any words from Hank, so I had no reason to do so at the time. GO FIGURE. That sentence wasnt even English. Despite NGs statement about black bears normally running when confronted by a human, do not bet your life on it! You might have learned that if you didnt try to snub total strangers over the internet and instead tried to speak as intelligently as the author just did when he disputed my claims just now. Your comment here is snarky and uneducated. Talk about stopping power. I doubt any bear could withstand two quick rounds from this one to the head! .30-06 Springfield (180gr Nosler Partition at 2,750fps): 21.8 .50 Alaskan Taking a .348 Winchester case and necking it out to accept a .510-inch, Alaskan Harold Johnson was able to successfully convert a Winchester Model 1886 rifle into a .50-caliber, bear-killing machine. Back then we didnt have hearing protectors and YES it was loud! This is why Forest Rangers use a slug (.73 cal = 12GA) a poor mans elephant gun under 50 yards that rivals a .458 Win Mag. It might have continued on to hit the spine, resulting in the instant collapse of the bear. For many backwoods trekkers, hunters, and homesteaders the 44 mag is the mainstay of their bear defense. While it is extremely effective, the main reason its been so widely-used is because shotguns like the Remington 870 and Mossberg 500 are a fraction of the price of bolt-guns and, in turn, thats what the government has provided to its employees. All in the family wish him nothing but the best, however his violent and irrational demeanor makes him a true pariah and danger to himself and anyone around him. They are lucky to have survived given they left their primary defensive weapon in a tree! Scotty reminds me of an autistic. And to the the post of a guy shot many times with a 9mm, you are correct sir. This gun has a 2.5-inch barrel and is fitted with Hogue grips. Lol my dad had one (we lived in southeastern Alaska and he carried it for bear). That poor bear, he was just turning his life around. I agree with what you say about the .38 in a large animal. If we consider only delivered energy, the 44-magnum cartridge resides in the middle of the range that is considered adequate for a bear defense handgun. I live in a small native village in bush Alaska. Tyler Freel A 12 gauge's effectiveness can vary tremendously based on the ammunition used. When I test sprayed it, there was the slightest cross wind. Does anybody, anywhere, have any idea what Hank means? What handgun can kill a grizzly bear? The .44 magnum boomed in the night and the boar fell straight down, his head three feet away from where I stood. He was a brave soul. If I was in Bear country , cutting up a bloody Moose , I would have had my own defensive weapon with me first , in my case its my Red Hawk .454 Casul and if I had for some reason forgot to bring it , you can bet I would have already learned all the whats and what nots of my partners gun , like how to remove it from its holster . Wont take too long until you go viral. 5. of energy at 1500 fps, while the 495-grain DDupleks leaves the muzzle at 1410 fps with 2,180 ft.-lbs. here is one of the links I had bookmarked; http://www.leverguns.com/articles/paco/41heavy.htm . Ive watched, while working out, flossing, but never sittingI dont sit while I watch TVpretty much every documentary on bears ever shown, including the one on crazy, brave, brilliant, dead Timothy Treadwell. Male grizzlies will defend their territory to the death. Not at all. What is a Threaded Barrel and What Does it Do? ALL ANIMALS UNPREDICTABLE, BEEN BUCKED OFF FOR NO APPARENT REASON BY MY USUALLY DOCILE AND FAITHFUL PINTO SEVERAL TIMES AND BITTEN BY MY SCOUT DOG IN NAM ONCE ON AMBUSH WHO REDEEMED HIMSELF BY SAVING MY LIFE THE NEXT AMBUSH. The bear had 2 options, attempt to scale the rocky cliff one direction, or head straight my direction. No Time For My 338 or the 12 gauge we had in camp, I got up slowly, turned and fired a shot from my S&W Alaskan Backpacker 44magnum, that was just enough to turn the Big Boar, he leaped the 20 foot distance between us in one bound, and landed just to our left, ( my partner fired ( as the Boar was flying through the air) and hit the Boar, through the the lungs with his Backpacker 44 mag, the Boar hit the ground and leaped away from us, (this would be a V shaped leap) we found him the next morning about 80 yards from camp back in the woods, Dead!! Using any handgun is near suicide. A reliable Winchester pump-action shotgun and Brenneke Black Magic Magnum slugs. The 44 magnum when compared with the other large-caliber bear defense cartridges is rather lightweight in the recoil department. When one of us has an animal down, one guts, the other stays ready for a bear. You have entered an incorrect email address! There are some books out on bear attacks as well. for grizzly protection. The hunters violated the most basic safety rule when cleaning game to pack out. I saw a buckle with a strap running through it. akgunners comment HELPS people and makes them smarter. Assumption. This is the end of my comment. MY HOG BACK UP IS MY SHORT BARREL S&W .44 THO HAVE YET HAVE ONE TO GET UP FROM REM .308 HOG HAMMERS. A female grizzly will do almost anything to protect her cubs. Polar Bear Attack Stopped with Three Shots from .44 Magnum Revolver Of course, being familiar with your gun and practiced with its use is as important as the cartridge selection. SEE IT. Its chambered in nearly every major manufacturers rifle and has a plethora of ammunition choices as well. Based on ballistic testing and field use, Nelson recommends Brennekes Black Magic Magnum or DDupleks Monolit 32 solid steel slug. .73 ( 3 ) 12 GA Slug 437.5 gr @ 1760 FPS (3008/ ft lbs): 81. Popular among Alaskan guides and hunters, the .375 is capable of launching a 270-grain bullet at 4,300 ft.-lbs. As Nelson points out, the first shot may end the charge but doesnt always kill the bear, which means its handy to have a rifle that can make the longer follow-up shot. A 9, 38, or 45 isnt an adequate round for something as large as a bear, with think hide, fur and muscles. This is really what the .44 mag was designed for. I stood in a dumbfounded stupor. And if you go into the North Bush influenced by Weingarten, he just might get you killed. Hollywood has done the same thing for other rounds. Biologically, grizzly bears are omnivores and will eat almost anything they come across. It was day 3 of the hunt and we decided to head home due to adverse weather. I lived in AK for a number of years in the early 70s and whenever I went fishing I carried a .44 magnum. Underwood Extreme Penetrator test on an Actual Grizzly Skull 10mm vs 44 mag GRIZZLIES: In the far north, when attacking grizzlies are on sportsmen before they can aim a long gun, they un-chest-holster an big-blast Alaskan snubbie. The 44 magnum does deliver less energy on target than the other calibers in our comparison tables. I run a 480 Ruger now days but I took a lot of hides with my old Ruger Blackhawk and most dropped where they were hit. Hes read some books so hes an expert. But how much time have you spent in the far northern woods so far in your life? For big bear defense handguns, the Smith & Wesson 629 is hard to beat. The 9mm has 350 to 450 ft/lbs. And you cant kill cancer or diabetes with a revolver. Heard that from a park ranger or game warden, no doubt. 3) Self defense from a bear attack with a pistol is a cautionary tale at best, correct? is the standard most American hunters use. Nelson says after about 20 shots, his wrist starts to swell and he can no longer shoot. Even sleeping! So be sure to keep an eye on the animal until it is definitely dead. Smith & Wesson Model 629. Your cigarettes. Handguns for Bear Defense: a Study by Caliber - Concealed Nation No problem. In some cases, it may not even penetrate the bear's thick hide. 8. Thats a cool chest rig. For more information on how to protect yourself from bears, visit the website of your local hunting or outdoors store. Since grizzlies tend to be more aggressive than black bears, more problem encounters occur with grizzlies than other bear species. I found the account as I was searching for bear attacks where pistols had been used as a defensive measure. Its also capable of sending a massive projectile, like Buffalo Bores 430-grain hard-cast bullet, at roughly 2000 fps and 3,600 ft.-lbs. Good placement and a heavy bullet at a decent speed. I know hunters who routinely carry a bear defense pistol that they have never shot. How many people were attacked by humans in the last 40 years? The latest way appears to be an app called CamoSpace, designed specifically for members of the hunting community. 1. I distinctly remembered this one! An instantaneous drop like that pretty much requires a spine hit for instant paralysis. No joke, a full house 44 Mag in a rifle kicks. I learned things that could make the difference between success and failure. {vacant stare}, I have lived and hunted here in Alaska for 40+years, have been face to face with bears here on a few occasions, Black, Brown, Grizzly, And Polar, Every encounter was different, only once, (so far) have I had a have to shoot situation, My hunting partner (from lower 48) and I had boated up a wonderful wilderness river, and everywhere we stopped, was covered with bear tracks, (Grizzly) ( we were Moose hunting) We stopped and made a fire and had dinner, just after dinner (8PM) my partner says BEAR!! I dont look for bear but if one came my way I am ready. Take a deep breath and realize this is an anonymous Internet forum. Presumably he removed it when they started cleaning the moose, which is probably the worst time to do so. The second time it was dead calm, but it sure wasnt a 16ft spray. Sorry Scotty, but you missed again. In the event that I need to get off a second shot at a charging grizzly bear, I want a pistol I can handle comfortably, re-acquire a sight picture, and get off an accurate shot in the quickest possible time. The larger the gun, and to some extent, the longer the barrel, the less felt recoil and muzzle flip you will experience. The accurate answer is "it depends". These things WILL hurt you and & then kill you: Keep in mind that you might need a Magnum load to propel a heavy bullet to a decent velocity. They almost never attack . LOL . Aim for the head or heart if possible. First, I give you credit for confronting a critic, and also for being civil. Thats about the only way a handgun bullet is going to drop a charging bear that quickly. He plainly states that he was researching attacks where pistols where used in defense. My Uncle Allen used a 12gauge (rifled slug) center mass at 30 feet. Delivered energy at a given distance, usually measured in ft-lbs. Many laud the .44 Magnum as real bear medicine, and it's got plenty of power for a bear defense handgunas long as you remember that it's still not a rifle. American Buffalo Knife and Tool Co. is adding to its line of Roper Knives with the new Sunset Series Tumble Weed. We made a simulated bear and shot it with a Desert Eagle! Mag. Question: What Is The Best 44 Magnum Bullet For Deer Hunting If I carried any handgun for self defense, Id only load it with one roundfor myself. In this blog post, well discuss the importance of having 44 mag ammo for bear protection, and well give you some tips on how to use it effectively. Along with delivered energy, we must also consider bullet weight and velocity. I carry a 6 inch Redhawk with 325 grain hard cast lead handloads when I go to Grizzly country. Feel free to reach out to us or read our affiliate disclosure and privacy policy. and 2700 fps, thus delivering massive energy on target. When Bears Attack Top Sidearms to Carry in Bear Country What is the minimum caliber of handgun that would stop a grizzly bear
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