And the right kind of holster too. Of course one must practice with any firearm to learn the particularities of that gun. Sig offers a larger 7 shot mag that has a pinky grip support on it. I owned one of these years ago and it was a dream! While it certainly isnt difficult to take down and reassemble, there are easier ones out there. The p3at hasn't failed yet at the range. With the added magazine flair, my hand (including pinky finger) fits great. The slide will stop short of full closure and must be bumped from the back to complete the closure. My groups are much, much smaller now. Have the Taurus TCP really like it. It has had at least 2000 rounds through it. I have a Glock 20, which is a fine gun, but I found the Glock G42 unimpressive (felt like a clunky brick despite the smaller form factor.) I will say it shoots beautifully and the night sights it came with are excellent. It was absolutely horrible! As I remind you, that the PP Series Pistols, all have the sliding cover open, then fire the last ammunition, as it was and is the custom in all modern military weapons. I would recommend a Bersa to anyone entering the world of Concealed Carry. I was actually shooting .410 loads in a handgun in the 1970s, and the Contender could boast a choke and a significantly longer barrel (as I recall, about 9" in mine). I had a Ruger LCP and after the third round, the pistol began bouncing around in my hand, not good. I think the human interface of the grip and trigger is different with each individual shooter. of this gun and not all were winners. I am a 76yr. I shot a few hundred rounds of the various shelf ammo available so now I can say I'm used to it. (ps: author disses the LCP II trigger, and I wonder if he was thinking of the original, or if the LCP II he had was a different trigger design, as my wife's II has a great trigger). Don't get me wrong, Glock makes great pistols but as far as the pocket models in 380 and 9, they are a Johnny-come-lately-me-too and it shows. Jams other 380 hollowpoint. In fact the sights that came on my Sig are some of my favorite that I have ever owned. It is like the Ruger but fit my hand better. I WANTED to carry the LCP but I CANNOT carry it after owning it and my testing. I literally went out and bought a P938 in 9mm because of the P238's reliability. It shoots fine now and have over 200 rounds thru it since the magazine tweek. My right hand and wrist are sore when I leave the practice range, but they don't ache for days as they have with 9mm. I couldn't get even I magazine to fire without 2 or 3 issues. Small, light, and I only paid $232.99 for it? I bought Pierce grips for the Glock 42 mags which allow a 7th bullet into the mag. They won't save your ass in a jam. I got the ruger lcp. Youre the biggest liability and should resign or be fired immediately for your comment as you are a clear and present danger to the public you are supposed to serve. Bottom line is I would put my life in the hands of either one of the three guns mentioned. Had a Keltec P3AT And will say I had no problems with it, that being said I have heard others not so lucky sold mine to a friend that had to have it when I bought my P238, once I polished the feed ramp on the Sig it worked flawlessly was pissed that I had to polish the feed ramp on a $575 dollar pistol when a $199.00 pistol ran like a champ. Introducing a gun to a situation makes you an instant elephant in the room. Best ergonomics, even for those with larger hands. Used two different kinds of ammo-American made. However, by being super compact and lightweight the gun is quite snappy and simply not fun at the range. I think they make it still, but in a CA-compliant model only. the 22 LR is routinely maligned. Box of 1000: 10 Sleeves of 100 withering fire is a bitch especially if you have it..carrying 500 rounds of anything else is 2X a normal combat loading and damn heavy after 10 miles of hiking.now make it 20..and you still need food, clothing, perhaps a tarp and/or tent, water..adding 20lbs of ammo doesn't make much sense when you are evading society.. Shotshell equivalents are nothing new. In the rotation is the LCP 2 and the G42. But my buddy I shoot with he is very accurate with the Sig. The thing that got me was for handgun rounds from 380 to 44 Mag, the lethal/incapacitate results were pretty much equal! We live in a free society and people should have the right to make choices even if you dont agree with them. A little larger than the CW380, and much easier to hold for large hands. Another thing that affects recoil is the design of the handgun itself. You left of far and away the best .380 on the market the Springfield 911, best of the bunch as far as recoil and a beautiful gun optically, sights are top of the line right out of the box. Carrying capacity is 8+1, so you can carry a little more in that regard. Everyone in the department takes that risk. While the shotshells were fine for small game, I cannot image them being the least suited for self-defense. The sights on the LCP II are built into the top of the slide like its predecessor. Mostly carried in a Desantis SuperFly pocket carry. prints like a wallet. I purchased a Ruger LCP last month, ftf/fte, 35 out of 50 rds, 95 gr. I figured why not have 9mm since it's only slightly bigger yet still as easy to conceal comfortably. The safety feature is no problem if you practice. I saw it looked well made with a laser which I feel is only an extra. But if being ultra-concealable is the goalyou cant go wrong with the LCP Max. Why Ruger makes its guns difficult to disable for cleaning is beyond me. The low-profile fixed sights are very basic, but they won't hang up on clothing when you draw, and capacity is 6+1. Hi, we had to choose our personal favorites although it's a great gun too. 5 Same issue with the sticky magazine, rounds flying out of the opening in the slide. In low light they are just as bright as any nightsights I've seen and the added hi-viz feature for daylight conditions is just awsome. Not yet, and hopefully never will, but it WILL be the one that rides with me. Stay safe. Walther CCP 6. If you can land multiple shots on an aggressor, in any caliber, theyre more likely to give up or succumb to wounds. Weve got a dedicated section for the AR-15 here. With a puny caliber like the 380 Auto (9mm kurz), shot group placement is everything Everything! Very fine gun overall. It looks like something that belongs in a pawn shop case. When you see a list of the Best .380s and the Beretta Cheetah is not on it there is something disingenuous going on. I can say that the ones Ive fired were picky about the type of ammo they shoot. 5 Worst Guns for Beginners (And Some Good Ones) Best Premium Choice - Walther PPK/S .380 ACP. I am a pistol instructor, and I never teach students to rigidly adopt any stance. What is very important to me is having a laser and being able to shoot juiced up .380 rounds. While the grip may be a little square for some shooters, the petite size and easy slide makes this gun a great CCW option for smaller humans. Be safe. I have also shot the Bodyguard, Glock, Ruger LCP2 and Sig at rental range. I've owned a Bodyguard (without the laser) for years now and I've gotta say, I love that little guy. Think of center mass as the torso of your attacker. Wouldn't trust a striker gun in my pocket, even with a pocket holster. A good example is this SW22 Victory that fires the tiny .22LR round. My wifes CC gun is a Bersa 380 and mine is a Bersa 380CC. But it is still comparing the .38 Special, with one hand tied behind it's back, to a .380 ACP which is allowed all the advantages. Jams Precision One. Try adjusting your grip, i.e., grip,the gun a little more tightly, or a bit more loosely. LCP is a JAM-O-MATIC that I wouldnt trust my life to. This gun has less felt recoil, is about the same size, super easy to conceal, but with 9mm firepower. This innovation in 1929, was revolutionary in the world of weapons, and led to its adoption as a regulation and special services weapon, in almost all of Europe, and the rest of the world, countries such as Sweden, Switzerland, Germany, France, Brazil , Bolivia, Turkey, Bulgaria, Austria and even the secret services of England. I have big hands and the pocket .380's don't work for me. No other cartridge has that claim to fame or infamy if you prefer. Too bad Taurus discontinued them in favor of the Spectrum. The current third generation of Rugers great LCP seriesthe LCP Max is what our editor Eric carries while in athletic gear. You'll now receive newsletters of our best articles on techniques, I am a little surprised that the Walther PK380 was not mentioned. As well as shooting mechanics. I own a LCP and it's my EDC. Made in America!! Let us know which one you chose and how you like it! Different primers some Full Metal Jacket some hollow points. I could have done an "Ammo Quest" video myself. Well go over whats fact and whats fiction. had the 40 cal. Thanks for the review. 90 grain XTP did very well also. Think .40 S&W and .45 ACP. We already have an account registered for email address Don't do plastic guns .. put to many rounds thru to many of them and about the ONLY one worth a flip is a p99 . . anyhoo, the sig can be had for $450-500 if you shop it and it's worth it and more . . By far, It's the best quality gun of the bunch, takes all ammo and won't fail after a ton of rounds if you really want to make a habit of .380 practice with a pocket gun. The plastic grip sides come loose after shooting it. Thats why the Kahr is the winner here. Glock 42 5. I started with a KelTec P3AT that fit nicely with a custom holster into a back pocket. Also, I never carry a handgun in my pocket. My go to "practice " round AND go to "defensive" round is the 95 grain Hornady Critical Defense. I have read alot of bad about the Taurus TCP 738 but I love mine and at $239 and reliable as heck with the fix I did it"s alot cheaper than the top 5 in this article, not trying to take anything away from the top 5 or anyones personal choices.. Kimber Micro .380ACP TLE I'm liking it a lot. Jams all Underwood Xtreme Penetrator or Defender. No printing whatsoever. It has been successfully tested in World War II. It seems to be ignored often when discussing .380 's. kind of scary. Bersa Thunder 11. Nonetheless, the fact that they are difficult to shoot can be a major problem for training and self-defense purposes. My favorite carry firearm is my Kahr P380. Never an issue. SUPER SLEEK, thin little gun that hides in any pocket. I can say that they are similar, and this is the only gun on this list that is of all-metal construction. It does not fail. I think I've seen it test at 5-5.5 lbs. Pocket carry cocked and locked. Every cartridge has different things holding it back when compared to others. 5 Best 380 Pistols for Concealed Carry in 2023 - Gun News Daily I have had almost 20 failure to feed malfunctions with this pistol, 3 different magazines and every brand of 380 that Walmart sells Ive tried. I appreciate the tip! Fits my wife's hands as well as mine. Well over a thousand rounds through it without a hitch. This matters with hands that are not as strong, or that might be arthritic. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. The latter country, in the 1980s, made a contract for the purchase of Walther pistols, PP model, in 22 lr caliber. My thoughts exactly when I read the authors comparisons between the the 380 and the 38 special. Accurate and adequately handles the recoil of best defence ammo available. I gotta say I agree with your sentiments about the slug. I had no images on Chrome, but Firefox was fine. Cons mucho $'s, and it's next to impossible to rack the slide without cocking the hammer first. Walther PPK 9. Why? Because, over the years, Ive watched a very great number of pistol shooters OUTGUN THEMSELVES by trying to shoot a 40 caliber pistol consistently and well. After he graduated high school, he joined the Marines where he qualified with an M16, an M9 pistol, and a 240G machine gun. And far closer in performance to the 22/25's than 38+P. I am sure others have had the same issue at some point. The Remington 380 is a really decent gun. And stay in touch with newsletters of our best articles on techniques, guns, & gear. No feed or FTF issues at all. I did get a .380 3 or so years ago. I wouldn't say the gun is proved after 110rounds, but I'm not worried now. See ya at the range. The SW380, chambered in .380 ACP, held six rounds and was fitted with very rudimentary "guttersnipe" sights. Shoots great with a CrimsonTrace laser. Ive put probably 3000 rounds thru it of every kind of ammo I could find. It's hard to find a pocket-carry gun that can top the LCP II, but the new SIG P365 might do it for me. Then youre going to want to take a closer look at the Shield EZ 380! In a real world gun fight capacity rules over caliber. Also the famous and consecrated King of Rock and Roll, Elvis Presley, wore a Walther PPK / S engraved, with an initial "take care of your business" The best shooter is by far the Sig , as a matter of fact , its the most accurate pistol Ive ever shot. I carry it in a de Santis pocket holster, condition one, so I have 8 plus a spare 7 round mag. (Even the slightly easier to carry 3" barrel models can provide fairly similar figures.) I decided for retirement to go back to a .380 for concealed carry, as it is easier to conceal in Florida's weather. Learn the 3 most popular shooting stances & more. Check out our Best Places to Buy Ammo Online or jump straight to .380 ACP self-defense rounds. In actuality the Seecamp 380 is smaller. The trigger pull was beyond bad. I have extended mags for both but the LCP 2 is still a lot snappier then the sig making it harder to get back on target. Both cartridges are most similar when the .38 Special ballistics are compared when coming from a snubnosed revolver with a 2" (or slightly shorter) barrel. Thirteen rounds and easy to shoot. And can add night sights easily. Try it, youll like it. The Ruger LCP has a long, heavy trigger pull, but the LCP II does not. Box of 5000 5 boxes of 1,000 I really like the feel of it but am debating between it and the LCP II. Maybe you forgot. As for range ammo I have had no issues with Federal, Fiocchi or Winchester. An accurate piece and conceals pretty well for a double stack. Because they are so small, they dont weigh a lot. Some survivors who survived being shot from .380 remembered going into paralysis before blackout . If you take it apart the wrong way or forget to move the ejector upon reassembly, you could damage the gun. I still have my AMT, but my EDC is the Kahr CM9. This is a great gun with excellent sights for both day and night. M&P Shield EZ .380 6. So for folks just getting into the 380s. But you get the idea. Worth a shot! Anyway, a great video. What a great gun although much bigger than the Sig. Really surprised the Browning 1911 .380 didn't make the Top 5. The 4th was picked out by my wife for her ccw. Not funny. You can still find some of the more garishly (rainbow?) Huh? For some of us the best 380, is actually going with a mini 9. for CC, I have a Lg. Super concealable with 10 rounds of .380 ACP although snappy. So given all this my LCP is in the category called "GOOD". Your comment is interesting. This makes me nervous so Ive always sought help to clear the chambered bullet but now I know what to do! A Ruger-oriented forum could help with the holster issue. So maybe that's why it is not added to this concealed carry list. Top 5 380 ACP Pistols No. Small, tucks out of the wayand Sig makes great firearms. It was a tough choice initially between the Sig 938 and the Kahr CM9, but the Kahr had a great trigger, no safety to worry about and the 1st shot speed and confidence this DAO provides. I picked up a Kimber Micro 380. Best .380 Pistols [Hands-On]: Pocket Rockets - Pew Pew Tactical Most likely it wasn't discussed because the the Sig P365-380 is quite a bit larger than these yet offers no additional capacity. A Bryco Arms .380 such as this has resulted in more than 1 accidental death due to their defective design (Photo: Guns.com) These cheap pot metal guns are small, and available in a variety of calibers. The 'P' series has a Lothar Walther match barrel - the thing is ridiculously accurate! It is extremely well built, easily concealed and extremely accurate. You are crazy. Never skipped a beat. I ran into a good deal on .45 ACP JHP ammo, but it would not feed in either of my 1911's. Do the tests, try out your piece with everything. My only complaint about the LCP II is that I wish the trigger was more rounded where my finger makes contact. Turns out I should probably should have gone with the S&W. Stephen. 7+1 rounds, all-metal, a decocker, and the look and feel of a Walther PPK, but with a better trigger, and it's priced right. Your last paragraph says it all Bullet placement is the key. The LCP II was available when I bought mine but I chose the original and I'm glad I did. In contrast to this, the original LCP did not lock back on the final round. It has a clever two-piece firing pin; the safety rotates half of it 90 degrees so the gun cannot fire. This is a very compact, very light gun that is chambered in .380 ACP. Now, have a look at the biggest handguns. Neither would I want my pistol's barrel to be anything less than 4 inches in length. This is why its so important for people to choose the right gun/caliber combination. - The CPX-3 can be had on-line for about $200 so it's just about the cheapest .380 out there I have a S&W Bodyguard. Re: Glock 42 and Sig P238 The only two on that list I'd even consider trusting my life to would be the Sig and the Glock. Particularly the compact model is a really nice-shooting pistol that is light enough and small enough for concealed carry. It's hard to find something online, as almost everyone is talking about JP/JHP rounds. Do you have a .380 or plan on getting one? over again. It's easy to conceal and plenty powerful. I have a Glock 42 and Im a realtor. If a shooter can keep his first three shots inside a nice tight 4 - 6 inch circle @ COM, and do this consistently from a minimum of 7 1/2 - 8 yards, then, yes, hell have a viable chance of surviving an armed attack unscathed; however, its been my general experience that most people who are foolish enough to buy a 380 Auto for personal (walk around) protection, in the first place, are almost invariably too anemic in their pistol shooting skills to consistently hit COM well enough to guarantee their own survival; (and I watch dozens of people shot all different sorts of pistols every month.) Therefore, if you want the slide to lock back, you need to use the magazines that were made specifically for the LCP II. Still very pleased with the gun. The P365 380 may be on the larger size spectrum of concealable 380s but is probably the flattest/lowest recoiling model. Very reliable, I have only had one brand of ammo that gave me feeding issues, and that was some cheap wal mart steel case surplus ammo, that would still fire but I had to reduce the amount loaded in the magazine for proper feeding. Only complaint I have is that long trigger pull. I'm a 71 year old Marine Corps careerist and Vietnam combat vet whose career mainly relied on the 1911 platform. Or the author has no clue. While the PPK is a nice gun, it is a bit dated. A very fine pistol. I am 6'2" and was shot in the gut in a drive by shooting and I doubled over in pain. I have also put Crimson Trace Laser on both guns for shooting in low light. This gun is amazing and feeds/extracts EVERY ammo I give it. Citation needed. The second thought is all-inclusive and says carry whatever you can handle comfortably enough to prevent someone else from taking your life. Type your new password and hit button below to confirm it. You do not pay Nonetheless, it still suffers from many of the issues that we just talked about in the previous section: the trigger pull is awful, they are difficult to shoot, it can be difficult to get a good grip on the pistol for some shooters, and the slide wont even lock back on the last round fired. It's small size is great in my front pocket and performs great with my colleagues pressure drills. I own a Taurus TCP 738 which I upgraded with Galloway trigger and springs and NiteSighter sight dots. And the Walther PP Gun was the first gun in the history of weapons that the decocker / security introduced. While it's not pocket size, some features I like are the safeties it has, (so when not in use it can be locked without having to put a trigger lock on it and cannot fire without the mag), it has a fixed barrel, it is a 15+1, and while the initial trigger pull is long all others are short and the recoil is nice for control. Never felt undergunned and to this day it remains the most accurate gun on my modest collection (<1" groups at 25'). I own both lcp pistols. Of course, being retired I wear loose fitting cargo pocket pants/shorts. I've found the fit and overall feel of the pistol to be more favorable than the Sig 238. It looks at over 1700 firearm incidents involving police, military or private citizen armed encounters and looks at the weapons used, incapacitation and lethal effectiveness. My first experience with what was certainly a 30 lb. The Shield is not hard to carry and conceal, but my .380 is so much more comfortable and concealable that it is the one I choose most of the time. - its capacity of 10+1 in the tube puts every gun in this article to shame Uso una bersa 380 cc, con can de estrias polygonales, uso una walther ppk y tambien una Kahr, que es la que tiene el cao ms corto. I've been armed for over 50 years on a daily basis. 1 jam in the UC ii and 0 in the micro 9 both with 500 rounds through. hands down. The Sig has a more "boxy" feeling to the slide, whereas the Kimber's slide is more "melted" along the edges, making for a more comfortable pistol for all day carry. I just recently purchased the SW M&P .380 EZ which is also sweet. You may want to research a little. (The Glock and Sig feel bulky and have lousy sights; the Ruger's "sights" are a joke; the Smith's aren't much better.) But if I am wearing pants, belt, etc I opt for the Sig. So, .380 will do the job. It works. Very happy with my purchase . Small, easy to carry and just plain sexy, I have to say it's my favorite so far. Today I have a Glock 43. You need to know how your self-defense ammo handles in your firearm so it doesnt take you by surprise. The Gen 2 is about 8lbs of pull, Smooth all the way through and deliberate. I wouldnt trust the preservation of my life to anything less than a CQB pistol caliber of either 9 x 19mm or 45 ACP; and I use the term caliber very loosely OK. And in a .380, what's working for me might not work in someone else's pistol. I "HAD" 2 kel-tec 380's (both garbage). It can handle Plus P ammo and with the 3.75 inch barrel is extremely accurate. It takes an attacker 1.5 seconds to reach you from 21 feet. No problem with the safety or trigger on M&P .380 Bodyguard. You can wear your bathing suit anywhere and feel pretty safe with your gun not being noticed at all. Place you live? To start, it seemed heavy so carrying it in my pocket felt pretty funky. I would like to comment on a takeaway I have. I noticed the Kimber Micro .380 didn't make the list. What is in the box ? Specs vary based on model. Its also a sleek, well built little pistol with no rough protrusions that virtually disappears in your pocket. Nowthe LCP Max brings with it 10+1 rounds of .380 ACP. Bottom line for me on this pistol, Ill never get rid of it, but I would replace it as a daily Carry. The 380 EZ solves this problem, by putting the .380 round in the same size of pistol as the standard M&P Shield, one of the best and most popular carry guns on the market. Sharing my experience. Its a common belief that pistols chambered in .380 ACP are great for newer shooters because the 9mm-short (as its sometimes called) is so small that guns shooting it are super low in recoil. I have had a Bersa Thunder .380, a Ruger LC380, and now a Glock 42. 2) .410 for defensive, I strongly disagree with the assumptions made. Every one of these pistols are incredibly easy to conceal in your pocket. I carry it a lot because of how I dress. So that is her EDC . After each gun's name, you'll see its average user rating, that rating's margin of error and the number of votes: 1) Diamondback Firearms DB380 (4.3 stars 1.0, 25 votes) It pains me to include the DB380 on this list because I bought one a couple years ago. Just enough meat on it to feel right and give you something to hold on to, but still in a sub-compact footprint for CCW. I have had zero problems feeding anything. 16 years and fired thousands of rounds through it. I have not shot one, but think the new Smith & Wesson Shield EZ is going to eventually grow into a popular CCW firearm. I've had a Kahr PM9 for years, thrown everything I could at it, and it has never failed to feed, fire, or lock the slide. I could almost copy and paste Petes review of the LCPII as my experience. I find I'm gaining endurance and may even be able to advance to a lightweight 9mm in a few months. I couldn't believe it when I first saw it, but now I have two. and let me say Where the hell do you expect to conceal your .40 S&W on a 96 degree August day in Florida.! So embarrassing she emptied the box of low cost ammo and then shot the ammo that my gun rejected. Im in the market for my first CCW and have the LCPII on my radar. It has a longer mag for those of us with larger hands, built in Crimson Trace laser grips, will shoot any ammo you put through it, the fact that it is a hammer fired pistol it eliminates the trigger pull issue that some of the others have, it also has a metal frame and slide, and it looks great(not that that's important, just an added bonus). The S&W gave me an issue with certain brands of hollow point, but, more investigation needs to be done because I think it occurred with one individual magazine. While I appreciate the clever workmanship expressed in my Ruger LcpII, it doesn't wow! I've had one for 6 years; love it. )..I bought the stainless version with that goofy holster in 2010.this thing has always worked for me and I can punch the torso of a full silhouette at 10 yards without too much issue, quickly no less.it works.they sell the all blued version on sale as low as $159.I just like my stainless, grease the rails after a good cleaning (very, very lightly) and 4 drops of oil in critical places, wipe off the excess and bam! This adds to the visual/narrative of the text. Mine was complete garbage and would come out of battery requiring disassembly! Its not a subcompact pistol, but its much easier to shoot than a subcompact. It ultimately has to do with the ejector. The Beretta Pico is top dog. Semper Fi, The Micro 380 is a miniature 1911. It makes a HUGE difference! This seems to affect where the cases end up. The slide is stainless steel while the frame is an aluminum alloy. Other pluses include a lifetime warranty and a free year in the NRA.
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